Friday, September 12, 2008
How The Typical "Pro-Choice" White Liberal Male Thinks...
I read this as a comment at another blog a second ago. The idiocy is mindboggling. I'm not going to link to the blog or reference it in specific, the blogger has already suffered a full-blast comment from me and I don't want to add the possibility of drive-by comments. But feel free to leave any comments you want here, agreeing, disagreeing or otherwise.
In fact, I'd LOVE some disagreeing comments. Because taking out the moronic "pro-choice" position is like shooting fish in a barrel.
Anyway, the commenter in question at the other blog wrote the following about abortion on deman, Sarah Palin, etc:
My stance on Pro-Life/Pro-Choice is give women a choice. For example, if a woman was raped and gets pregnant, I would like to afford the woman the choice to make up her mind on what she wants to do. I'd rather have more choices for this unfortunate woman than less choices. Palin is Anti-Choice... in all circumstances.
BTW, it is also easy to be pro-life when you are rich and can take care of a Down's Syndrome baby. Some families would be bankrupt caring for that same baby. Some families would take care of that baby no matter what. I'm just offering all families the choice.
I don't care about the religious aspect of it. Contrary to popular belief, one can make a moral choice without having to refer to an old book, which is probably inconsistent anyway, on the subject.
If you believe it to be a moral imperative to bring children into the world, great. However, don't shine a light on an unwed 17-year old mother to be and call her brave when you know damn well if it was an unwed black girl on the southside of Chicago, she'd be criticized as unfit, unsupervised and unfortunate.
Bill O'Reilly can't come down hard on Jamie Spears and her family for her pregnancy and then give a pass to the Palin's for EXACTLY THE SAME THING. It is hypocritcal, biased and obvious to me he doesn't really care about any of these situations past how he can manipulate them and score points.
I ask this hypothetical question in all seriousness: There is a fire. You can only save a 3 year old or 15 test tubes of fertilized eggs. Which do you choose?
Wow. The stupidity literally took my breath away. I responded as follows, with snipped quotes:
For example, if a woman was raped and gets pregnant, I would like to afford the woman the choice to make up her mind on what she wants to do.
Do you have even the slightest idea what the stats are on that? do you have any clue how few abortions are performed due to rape, incest or threat to the mother's life? Look it up sometime.
The question is abortion on demand ... abortion as birth control. It's a way of taking a mulligan so you won't be accountable for your INITIAL choice, the choice to have sex and take the risk of pregnancy.
And I just love the liberal men who call this a "woman's choice." Great way to absolve ourselves of OUR share of the responsibility, guys.
it is also easy to be pro-life when you are rich and can take care of a Down's Syndrome baby
As far as aborting a child because you can't afford to raise it, that's possibly the stupidest thing I've ever heard anyone say. Really, really remarkably dumb. I'm amazed at how comfortably people express their idiocy on the internet. You ought to have at least a SLIGHT understanding of the issues before you attempt to address them. Look sometime into the people BEGGING to adopt a child, special needs or otherwise. That's a far greater number than any theoretical group of people who might be saying "Uh ... can we afford a baby with special needs? We better kill this one and hold out for a low maintenance model."
you know damn well if it was an unwed black girl on the southside of Chicago, she'd be criticized as unfit
...You really are a remarkable idiot. You know NOTHING about the pro-life movement. What I know damn well about that theoretical black girl in chicago is that if you have your way, she'll be another victim of the racism of abortion.
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I didn't bother responding to the hypothetical "three year old or fifteen test tubes" scenario because he's obviously too stupid to realize that he's asking me to tilt at a straw man. If he knew anything at all about the pro-life movement he'd realize that a great many of us (myself included) don't support those scenarios that result in fertilized eggs in test tubes in the first place.
And I didn't bother refuting the lie about Palin's politics on abortion because this guy is one of the deluded dolts who believes what he wants to believe. The truth won't phase him.
I didn't respond to the Bill O'Reilly bit because O'Reilly is a yammering jackass, he doesn't speak for me and I'm not interested in that distraction. Remember liberal argument rule number two, relativism. Don't take the bait.
Now, is it wrong to "beat up" on a guy with such a clearly limited intellect? Maybe. But the thing is, these pitiful imbeciles are out there fighting to keep abortion on demand legal. You gotta blast 'em when you see 'em because they're arguing for murder based on terms they're too simple to understand.
I'm waiting with baited breath for a pro-abortion-on-demand comment at this post. Oh please oh please oh please.
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Yeah, I agree with you. He is comparing apples and dixie cups of cold diarrhea. Palin's daughter is getting married. She had sex out of the bounds of her marriage and had the child and is doing her best to correct the situation. The hypothetical black woman would only be criticized if she was propagating a pandemic that is destroying an entire ethnic group and threatening to destroy society.
My girlfriend, for example, got pregnant a little over 9 years ago. She had a special needs child. Since she was convinced that no one was going to marry her with a special needs child, she got her tubes tied so as not to compound the problem. Everyone is entitled to one mistake. A single mom with one child who had the kid out of wedlock is afforded a pass. When you get to the fifth like one of my ex's sister, and STILL doesn't have her tubes tied and STILL won't stop having sex, there is a problem.
And no, you can't make a moral choice without referring to an absolute moral authority, otherwise there is no standard for morality. Cannibalism is considered moral in some cultures, for example. Before he was saved, Jeffery Dalmer didn't consider murder to be amoral. Robber Barons of old didn't consider their economically oppressive monopolies to be amoral.
My cousin Brenda is lower-middle class at best. Her and her husband have a Downs Syndrome baby that they love dearly and are trying to take care of as best they can, and they are doing a very good job of it.
Anyone who judges someone else's motivations is a closed minded moron, as far as his Bill ORiley comment goes. Is Spears getting married? Did she admit she made a mistake and is she trying to correct it? Or is she being glorified for it? It is not the exact same thing as far as I know. I don't pay much attention to the Hollywood dain-bramaged to be honest.
As far as his hypothetical question, I would safe the 3 year old. She is already developed. The 15 fertalized eggs... well... if they were saved, cumulatively they don't have the same survival chance as the 3 year old. If given the option, I would save them both, even at great risk to my own life. Otherwise, its just a mathematical choice based on probability. If there was a 100% chance that each and every one of those fertilized eggs would have a successful implantation and be born, I would save them, but that isn't the case.
My girlfriend, for example, got pregnant a little over 9 years ago. She had a special needs child. Since she was convinced that no one was going to marry her with a special needs child, she got her tubes tied so as not to compound the problem. Everyone is entitled to one mistake. A single mom with one child who had the kid out of wedlock is afforded a pass. When you get to the fifth like one of my ex's sister, and STILL doesn't have her tubes tied and STILL won't stop having sex, there is a problem.
And no, you can't make a moral choice without referring to an absolute moral authority, otherwise there is no standard for morality. Cannibalism is considered moral in some cultures, for example. Before he was saved, Jeffery Dalmer didn't consider murder to be amoral. Robber Barons of old didn't consider their economically oppressive monopolies to be amoral.
My cousin Brenda is lower-middle class at best. Her and her husband have a Downs Syndrome baby that they love dearly and are trying to take care of as best they can, and they are doing a very good job of it.
Anyone who judges someone else's motivations is a closed minded moron, as far as his Bill ORiley comment goes. Is Spears getting married? Did she admit she made a mistake and is she trying to correct it? Or is she being glorified for it? It is not the exact same thing as far as I know. I don't pay much attention to the Hollywood dain-bramaged to be honest.
As far as his hypothetical question, I would safe the 3 year old. She is already developed. The 15 fertalized eggs... well... if they were saved, cumulatively they don't have the same survival chance as the 3 year old. If given the option, I would save them both, even at great risk to my own life. Otherwise, its just a mathematical choice based on probability. If there was a 100% chance that each and every one of those fertilized eggs would have a successful implantation and be born, I would save them, but that isn't the case.
My own daughter got pregnant at 17 and married the father. They beat the odds and are happily married to this day.
My granddaughter just started her first year of college and my grandson, her brother, is in eighth grade.
My daughter and son-in-law grew up in traditional-values families, and the parents on both sides were shocked initially by the news. But then we moved forward, just like the Palins, and surrounded these two youngsters with all the love we could possibly muster.
That's the difference between us and the Libs. I never would have had this vibrant young granddaughter -- just the faded memory of a fetus in a medical waste disposal unit.
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My granddaughter just started her first year of college and my grandson, her brother, is in eighth grade.
My daughter and son-in-law grew up in traditional-values families, and the parents on both sides were shocked initially by the news. But then we moved forward, just like the Palins, and surrounded these two youngsters with all the love we could possibly muster.
That's the difference between us and the Libs. I never would have had this vibrant young granddaughter -- just the faded memory of a fetus in a medical waste disposal unit.
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