Friday, June 30, 2006
Superman, Church Music, And The Ubiquitous Metallica Mention
More of the usual… religion, rock and roll, and at least one post that's about both:
- The Superman / Jesus Connection
I'm not saying that I agree with this stuff, I’m not saying that I disagree with this stuff, I'm just saying that I read this stuff and I thought it was interesting.
Get Religion has collected various points of view regarding the possible Christian allegory of the Superman story. One clip from the New York Times asserts that…There’s always been a hint of Jesus (and Moses) to the character, from the omnipotence of his father to a costume that, with its swaths of red and blue, evokes the colors worn by the Virgin Mary in numerous Renaissance paintings. It’s a hint that proves impossible not to take…
Every era gets the superhero it deserves, or at least the one filmmakers think we want. For (director Bryan) Singer that means a Superman who fights his foes in a scene that visually echoes the garden betrayal in “The Passion of the Christ” and even hangs in the air much as Jesus did on the cross. It’s hard to see what the point is beyond the usual grandiosity that comes whenever B-movie material is pumped up with ambition and money. As he proved with his first two installments of “The X-Men” franchise, Mr. Singer likes to make important pop entertainments that trumpet their seriousness as loudly as they deploy their bangs. It’s hard not to think that Superman isn’t the only one here with a savior complex.
Not everybody buys it. From the Dallas Morning News……there’s a vital difference from the message of Christianity: The caped, comic book “savior” is not sent to save people from their own evil. “He comes to help us find our potential,” (pastoral professor) Dr. (Reg) Grant said.
In fact, the new movie, despite its Christ imagery, could hardly be less theological. There’s nothing of prayer or heaven. Superman offers salvation only from the perils of this world.
To hammer that point, Luthor steals a quote from science fiction author Arthur C. Clarke: “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.” Or, though he doesn’t say so, from divinity.
Other commentators find parallels between the new Superman movie and The Da Vinci Code. Honestly, I don't much buy any of this… but it's interesting reading. - A Return To Musical Reverence At Mass
If you attend a church where the music is reverent and traditional, I really hope you don't take it for granted. It seems like a lot of churches these days… even Catholic churches… are changing over to more "contemporary" sounding music during the worship service. According to at least one source, Pope Benedict would like to see a change. Of course, different sources report the story differently. The UPI version of the story is blunt:Pope Benedict XVI is calling for an end to guitars and a return to traditional choirs in the Catholic Church.
The recital of mass set to guitars has grown in popularity in Italy and in Spain it has been set to flamenco music, the London Telegraph reported.
"It is possible to modernize holy music," the Pope said, at a concert conducted by Domenico Bartolucci, the director of music at the Sistine Chapel. "But it should not happen outside the traditional path of Gregorian chants or sacred polyphonic choral music."
It's no surprise that a Catholic news source reports the Pontiff's feelings with more nuance:Pope Benedict said, "An authentic updating of sacred music cannot take place except in the wake of the great tradition of the past, of Gregorian chant and sacred polyphony."
The pope said that in music, as in art and architecture, the church promotes and supports "new expressive means without denying the past -- the history of the human spirit -- which is also the story of its dialogue with God."
Speaking for my wife and myself, we prefer the more traditional kinds of church music… pipe organ, choir, etc. Nonetheless, each church has to do the best it can with the resources available to it. The music at the church that our family attends isn't exactly what Wendy and I would like to hear… but part of making a church work is compromise and unity. So we sing along and we don't complain about the guitars, bongos and clarinets. Nonetheless, like I said before, if the church you attend features reverent, traditional music during service, please don't take it for granted. - Mandatory Metallica
Seems like I have to always feature a Metallica update these days, right? Well, if you're like me… a Metallica fan and a fan of The Simpsons, then you'll probably be amused to know that Metallica will be lending their voices to the program in an episode to air this September. Of course, this won't be the first time Metallica has been animated, and the picture here is yet another link to my favorite Metallica-related cartoon.
By the way, Lars says we should look for the next album about the middle of next year… and James reports that the album is being shaped by jam sessions and full-band collaboration… just like the last one was. - New Alice In Chains Collection
Sony reports that a 2 CD collection called The Essential Alice In Chains will be released in July. I, for one, am thrilled to hear the news. It's about time somebody put together a good collection of tracks from Alice In Chains albums. Once this comes out, fans won't have to settle for listening to the songs collected in The Greatest Hits collection and The box set and the abbreviated version of the box set and the live album. Now if only Sony would take the incentive to do a "Best Of Alice In Chains" single CD collection, I'd finally feel like I have these same thirty songs collected together in enough different versions.
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I grew up in a church that had more modern music -- guitars, drums, keyboard, etc and they sang choruses. As soon as I was old enough to attend church away from my family, I sought out churches and denominations that were more traditional -- organs/piano and hymns. I still prefer it over the modern stuff. I'm very surprised to hear they have this in Catholic churches.
I suppose that if one were to close their eyes and listen to Jorell's (sp?) speach, a religious parallel could be infered... But I did see the movie yesterday, and I didn't take that away from it.
And according to this movie, Superman is not a virgin, so the colors of the Virgin Mary don't fit. Heh.
I like the old hymnals also, but it seems that they are fewer and farther between these days.
Alice in Chains... I love the Jar of Flies album. It's nice and laid back; great sound.
And according to this movie, Superman is not a virgin, so the colors of the Virgin Mary don't fit. Heh.
I like the old hymnals also, but it seems that they are fewer and farther between these days.
Alice in Chains... I love the Jar of Flies album. It's nice and laid back; great sound.
Et tu, Darrill....it surely wasn't coinkydinky that you put Yngwie's picture on the post. I would surely rather have Yngwie's WORK played on an organ at Church than to have some of the stuff we play. I agree with the Pope. I still say the best Church music is Vivaldi, Bach and Handel.
i'd really like to know why you think it is better to handle sacred music in a traditional way...
does it have to be a chant to be sacred? when are handbells and organs appropriate?
does God not appreciate our songs led by a piano?
Or how about in a style similar to the music we already listen to that is relevant to us?
Obviously...a lot of people see this diffent and i'm certainly not trying to start blogosophere arguing, etc...
but I do want to know where you get your perspective from and why.
does it have to be a chant to be sacred? when are handbells and organs appropriate?
does God not appreciate our songs led by a piano?
Or how about in a style similar to the music we already listen to that is relevant to us?
Obviously...a lot of people see this diffent and i'm certainly not trying to start blogosophere arguing, etc...
but I do want to know where you get your perspective from and why.
RC: i'd really like to know why you think it is better to handle sacred music in a traditional way
I suppose it's an aesthetic thing… for me, it's important that I be in a reverent (as I personally understand reverence) frame of mind at Church. Of course, visual icons such as the crucifix and the stations of the cross help me to focus on Christ and why we're there, etc. For me, the older style of music is also a touchstone for reverence. It's just a personal choice, a matter of preference. My comment is more revealing about the way that I am programmed than it is about the quality of contemporary Christian music.
If I came off like I was mocking or degrading modern Christian music, I'm sorry. I was having a little fun with the Yngwie picture; it was really just intended as an in-joke between me and the Jambander (and I'm glad to see he picked up on it. Jambander and I are old real-life friends, and we've had tons of discussions about church music, Yngwie Malmsteen, etc.).
I admit, I'm not a fan of most of today's contemporary Christian music. Again, it's just a matter of personal taste. There's very little of it that I like, but I can name several songs and/or albums by Jars of Clay, POD and King's X that I enjoy.
As far as spiritual elements in modern music or in rock music, I tend to look for personal interpretations in rock songs that aren't necessarily intended by the songwriter to be Christian. Maybe they weren't written from a Christian point of view, but when I hear them, I listen to them from a Christian point of view. This older post is an example of what I'm talking about. I suppose I'm just predisposed to look for spirituality in music that isn't intended to be spiritual. I guess I see it as my own personal little treasure hunt.
Again, I hope nothing I wrote gave offense, and I appreciate your comments and input.
I suppose it's an aesthetic thing… for me, it's important that I be in a reverent (as I personally understand reverence) frame of mind at Church. Of course, visual icons such as the crucifix and the stations of the cross help me to focus on Christ and why we're there, etc. For me, the older style of music is also a touchstone for reverence. It's just a personal choice, a matter of preference. My comment is more revealing about the way that I am programmed than it is about the quality of contemporary Christian music.
If I came off like I was mocking or degrading modern Christian music, I'm sorry. I was having a little fun with the Yngwie picture; it was really just intended as an in-joke between me and the Jambander (and I'm glad to see he picked up on it. Jambander and I are old real-life friends, and we've had tons of discussions about church music, Yngwie Malmsteen, etc.).
I admit, I'm not a fan of most of today's contemporary Christian music. Again, it's just a matter of personal taste. There's very little of it that I like, but I can name several songs and/or albums by Jars of Clay, POD and King's X that I enjoy.
As far as spiritual elements in modern music or in rock music, I tend to look for personal interpretations in rock songs that aren't necessarily intended by the songwriter to be Christian. Maybe they weren't written from a Christian point of view, but when I hear them, I listen to them from a Christian point of view. This older post is an example of what I'm talking about. I suppose I'm just predisposed to look for spirituality in music that isn't intended to be spiritual. I guess I see it as my own personal little treasure hunt.
Again, I hope nothing I wrote gave offense, and I appreciate your comments and input.
Darrell, know that I'm definitly not offended...and obviously this is a touchy subject in the "modern christian world."
When my wife and I were planning our wedding we did at the chapel of the university we attended largely b/c were we go to church is pretty small and aesthetically unappealing for a wedding...
A good dear friend of ours (named Amy Nobles) did the music for us. Amy is a contemporary worship leader and while all the songs we chose were "sacred" not all were "traditional"
But we had some red tape to cut through, not just b/c of the song choices but also b/c we wanted her to play the music and she was going to play on a piano...not an organ!
The old man we had to deal with said "The Organ is the only sacred instrument, you obviously have know nothing about God or how to plan a sacred service."
YIKES! It was semi-stressful but the old man missed an important meeting "of discussion" and someone else took over for us who was real kick back and we got what we wanted.
I like your thoughts on applying your Christian perspective to non-Christian music...I like to do that as well.
--RC of strangeculture.blogspot.com
When my wife and I were planning our wedding we did at the chapel of the university we attended largely b/c were we go to church is pretty small and aesthetically unappealing for a wedding...
A good dear friend of ours (named Amy Nobles) did the music for us. Amy is a contemporary worship leader and while all the songs we chose were "sacred" not all were "traditional"
But we had some red tape to cut through, not just b/c of the song choices but also b/c we wanted her to play the music and she was going to play on a piano...not an organ!
The old man we had to deal with said "The Organ is the only sacred instrument, you obviously have know nothing about God or how to plan a sacred service."
YIKES! It was semi-stressful but the old man missed an important meeting "of discussion" and someone else took over for us who was real kick back and we got what we wanted.
I like your thoughts on applying your Christian perspective to non-Christian music...I like to do that as well.
--RC of strangeculture.blogspot.com
I heard a guy on EWTN during a discussion mention that he was tired of hearing Eat this Bread and Taste & See 25 times a year. I can definitely relate to that. I think sacred music is music that was written with the INTENT of being presented during the Mass and specifically in the presence of transubstatiation. I don;t consider music that adhere to the pop/rock formula of 1-4-5 to qualify when compared to something like Handel's Messiah. Anyone can see that Handel's music is more in line with the reverence and respect the Mass deserves. Having said that, I am a guitarist at a small Catholic Church and if a couple of us didn't step up to play music during the service, we wouldn't have any. We have no one with the ability to play the organ. I personally don't like our music selection but with limited means we are kinda stuck.
I'm enjoying reading this debate on styles of worship within churches.
I attended a reformed Presbyterian church in my early twenties. The specific denomination was Presbyterian Church in America (PCA). The worship was lead by organ and we sang hymns. I preferred this but, like Darrell, it was just my own personal preference, not based on anything Biblical. I then learned of many other reformed Presby denominations that thought the Biblical way to worship was no instruments and only Psalms. (This is from denoms like RPCNA and OPC.) I was dating a guy at the time who believed the same as these churches. He gave me Biblical reasons and also claimed that he thought nothing should take away from the words of the Psalm, that any little thing that could distract you, like instruments, should be eliminated. I did quite a bit of research and just couldn't agree with this, but I thought the concept was pretty fascinating.
Here's a link to the argument, for anyone who's interested and has some time to kill. :-)
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I attended a reformed Presbyterian church in my early twenties. The specific denomination was Presbyterian Church in America (PCA). The worship was lead by organ and we sang hymns. I preferred this but, like Darrell, it was just my own personal preference, not based on anything Biblical. I then learned of many other reformed Presby denominations that thought the Biblical way to worship was no instruments and only Psalms. (This is from denoms like RPCNA and OPC.) I was dating a guy at the time who believed the same as these churches. He gave me Biblical reasons and also claimed that he thought nothing should take away from the words of the Psalm, that any little thing that could distract you, like instruments, should be eliminated. I did quite a bit of research and just couldn't agree with this, but I thought the concept was pretty fascinating.
Here's a link to the argument, for anyone who's interested and has some time to kill. :-)
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