Friday, June 30, 2006

 

Superman, Church Music, And The Ubiquitous Metallica Mention



More of the usual… religion, rock and roll, and at least one post that's about both:


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I grew up in a church that had more modern music -- guitars, drums, keyboard, etc and they sang choruses. As soon as I was old enough to attend church away from my family, I sought out churches and denominations that were more traditional -- organs/piano and hymns. I still prefer it over the modern stuff. I'm very surprised to hear they have this in Catholic churches.
 
I suppose that if one were to close their eyes and listen to Jorell's (sp?) speach, a religious parallel could be infered... But I did see the movie yesterday, and I didn't take that away from it.

And according to this movie, Superman is not a virgin, so the colors of the Virgin Mary don't fit. Heh.

I like the old hymnals also, but it seems that they are fewer and farther between these days.

Alice in Chains... I love the Jar of Flies album. It's nice and laid back; great sound.
 
Et tu, Darrill....it surely wasn't coinkydinky that you put Yngwie's picture on the post. I would surely rather have Yngwie's WORK played on an organ at Church than to have some of the stuff we play. I agree with the Pope. I still say the best Church music is Vivaldi, Bach and Handel.
 
i'd really like to know why you think it is better to handle sacred music in a traditional way...

does it have to be a chant to be sacred? when are handbells and organs appropriate?

does God not appreciate our songs led by a piano?

Or how about in a style similar to the music we already listen to that is relevant to us?

Obviously...a lot of people see this diffent and i'm certainly not trying to start blogosophere arguing, etc...

but I do want to know where you get your perspective from and why.
 
Perhaps it is nostalgia--Older things have a reverent feel to some people.
 
RC: i'd really like to know why you think it is better to handle sacred music in a traditional way

I suppose it's an aesthetic thing… for me, it's important that I be in a reverent (as I personally understand reverence) frame of mind at Church. Of course, visual icons such as the crucifix and the stations of the cross help me to focus on Christ and why we're there, etc. For me, the older style of music is also a touchstone for reverence. It's just a personal choice, a matter of preference. My comment is more revealing about the way that I am programmed than it is about the quality of contemporary Christian music.

If I came off like I was mocking or degrading modern Christian music, I'm sorry. I was having a little fun with the Yngwie picture; it was really just intended as an in-joke between me and the Jambander (and I'm glad to see he picked up on it. Jambander and I are old real-life friends, and we've had tons of discussions about church music, Yngwie Malmsteen, etc.).

I admit, I'm not a fan of most of today's contemporary Christian music. Again, it's just a matter of personal taste. There's very little of it that I like, but I can name several songs and/or albums by Jars of Clay, POD and King's X that I enjoy.

As far as spiritual elements in modern music or in rock music, I tend to look for personal interpretations in rock songs that aren't necessarily intended by the songwriter to be Christian. Maybe they weren't written from a Christian point of view, but when I hear them, I listen to them from a Christian point of view. This older post is an example of what I'm talking about. I suppose I'm just predisposed to look for spirituality in music that isn't intended to be spiritual. I guess I see it as my own personal little treasure hunt.

Again, I hope nothing I wrote gave offense, and I appreciate your comments and input.
 
Darrell, know that I'm definitly not offended...and obviously this is a touchy subject in the "modern christian world."

When my wife and I were planning our wedding we did at the chapel of the university we attended largely b/c were we go to church is pretty small and aesthetically unappealing for a wedding...

A good dear friend of ours (named Amy Nobles) did the music for us. Amy is a contemporary worship leader and while all the songs we chose were "sacred" not all were "traditional"

But we had some red tape to cut through, not just b/c of the song choices but also b/c we wanted her to play the music and she was going to play on a piano...not an organ!

The old man we had to deal with said "The Organ is the only sacred instrument, you obviously have know nothing about God or how to plan a sacred service."

YIKES! It was semi-stressful but the old man missed an important meeting "of discussion" and someone else took over for us who was real kick back and we got what we wanted.

I like your thoughts on applying your Christian perspective to non-Christian music...I like to do that as well.

--RC of strangeculture.blogspot.com
 
I heard a guy on EWTN during a discussion mention that he was tired of hearing Eat this Bread and Taste & See 25 times a year. I can definitely relate to that. I think sacred music is music that was written with the INTENT of being presented during the Mass and specifically in the presence of transubstatiation. I don;t consider music that adhere to the pop/rock formula of 1-4-5 to qualify when compared to something like Handel's Messiah. Anyone can see that Handel's music is more in line with the reverence and respect the Mass deserves. Having said that, I am a guitarist at a small Catholic Church and if a couple of us didn't step up to play music during the service, we wouldn't have any. We have no one with the ability to play the organ. I personally don't like our music selection but with limited means we are kinda stuck.
 
I'm enjoying reading this debate on styles of worship within churches.

I attended a reformed Presbyterian church in my early twenties. The specific denomination was Presbyterian Church in America (PCA). The worship was lead by organ and we sang hymns. I preferred this but, like Darrell, it was just my own personal preference, not based on anything Biblical. I then learned of many other reformed Presby denominations that thought the Biblical way to worship was no instruments and only Psalms. (This is from denoms like RPCNA and OPC.) I was dating a guy at the time who believed the same as these churches. He gave me Biblical reasons and also claimed that he thought nothing should take away from the words of the Psalm, that any little thing that could distract you, like instruments, should be eliminated. I did quite a bit of research and just couldn't agree with this, but I thought the concept was pretty fascinating.

Here's a link to the argument, for anyone who's interested and has some time to kill. :-)
 
I meant to say "discussion" not "debate" up there in my first sentence.
 
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