Saturday, November 19, 2005
Kurt Vonnegut and "Sweet and Honorable" Terrorism
Kurt Vonnegut was my favorite writer when I was a kid, and I still have a lot of affection for his classic novels. His blend of black humor, humanism, and pessimistic socialism remains one of the shaping elements of my world view, believe it or not. Vonnegut was a hero of mine for most of my teens and early twenties. Like most of the conservatives I know, I when through my "angry young man, wise beyond my years, world weary liberal" phase, and a Vonnegut paperback was usually in my back pocket back then. The best of his work... like Slaughterhouse Five and Cat's Cradle and Breakfast of Champions and Sirens of Titan... still holds up. I can read those books now and still enjoy them and agree with much of what I'm reading. However, I no longer buy into Vonnegut's notion that mankind's ruination simply can't be helped.
Vonnegut's latest book, A Man Without A Country is a thin memoir made up of essays he's published in magazines over the past five or eight years, and a series of new essays in which he rails against the Bush administration, America in general, and the "hydrogen bomb," which seems to be the boogie man in Vonnegut's closet. I haven't heard anyone else mention it in ages.
A couple of the old essays are actually quite good. The new material, all of it, is virtually unreadable. Cindy Sheehan is more lucid than this stuff.
Vonnegut also talks briefly about an unfinished novel he's been working on for several years now... and admits that it will probably never be finished. In A Man Without A Country, Vonnegut harvests a few of the jokes from the novel... I suppose just to get them out there while he's still drawing breath.
Vonnegut admits in the book that even he doesn't find himself funny anymore, that he's finishing his life as a bitter, angry man. That's sad. And, then, there's this:
ONE of the greatest living US writers has praised terrorists as "very brave people" and used drug culture slang to describe the "amazing high" suicide bombers must feel before blowing themselves up...
Vonnegut, 83, has been a strong opponent of Mr Bush and the US-led war in Iraq, but until now has stopped short of defending terrorism.
But in discussing his views with The Weekend Australian, Vonnegut said it was "sweet and honourable" to die for what you believe in, and rejected the idea that terrorists were motivated by twisted religious beliefs.
"They are dying for their own self-respect," he said.
I'm not sure that liberalism actually causes senility... but, sometimes, it's hard to tell them apart.
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I thought blogging conservatives had an agreement not to mention that particular woman's name because we don't want to give her any credibility, even if one is using it to lampoon other whacko liberals.
You know the name I'm talking about...
You know the name I'm talking about...
Yes, let's not write her name, the "literary" equivalent of sticking our collective heads in the sand. Very Orwellian indeed.
This website's relentless potshots against "liberals" is almost funny, coming, as they do, from sanctimonious conservative demagogues who would probably feel right at home propounding propaganda for goose-stepping Nazi brownshirts and who have almost succeeded in twisting the true meaning of liberal beyond its antecedent roots (as in "libertarianism").
Vonnegut's "sweet and noble to die for what you believe in" reference actually paraphrases a poem that was made famous prior to WWI and which was made infamous during that war: in Latin, "Dulce et decorum est, pro Patria more". Vonnegut's point of view isn't really his -- it's a much older point of view. The comment is understandable when considered in context as the utterance of an 83 year old man responding to questions about his experiences as a soldier and prisoner of war during WWII. The comment was ill-advised, certainly, but he and that phony narcissitic Aussie interviewer hadn't ever defined what they were talking about when he asked Vonnegut about "terrorism". But then again, taking quotes out of context seems to be the order of the day everywhere, not merely among "The Liberal Media" as you love to refer to them disparagingly (why don't all y'all just refer to them as "Devil Incarnate" and be done with it?). The "terrorism" Vonnegut had in mind was the same sort of unorthodox warfare upon which the U.S. and Isreal were founded. So lighten up.
Vonnegut's "sweet and noble to die for what you believe in" reference actually paraphrases a poem that was made famous prior to WWI and which was made infamous during that war: in Latin, "Dulce et decorum est, pro Patria more". Vonnegut's point of view isn't really his -- it's a much older point of view. The comment is understandable when considered in context as the utterance of an 83 year old man responding to questions about his experiences as a soldier and prisoner of war during WWII. The comment was ill-advised, certainly, but he and that phony narcissitic Aussie interviewer hadn't ever defined what they were talking about when he asked Vonnegut about "terrorism". But then again, taking quotes out of context seems to be the order of the day everywhere, not merely among "The Liberal Media" as you love to refer to them disparagingly (why don't all y'all just refer to them as "Devil Incarnate" and be done with it?). The "terrorism" Vonnegut had in mind was the same sort of unorthodox warfare upon which the U.S. and Isreal were founded. So lighten up.
slack: Very Orwellian indeed
Oh, of course. Bloggers who express opinions you disagree with, or express reluctance to talk about people you support, are Big Brother personified. That makes PERFECT sense, and doesn't in the least indicate that you're a PARANOID NUTJOB.
sanctimonious conservative demagogues who would probably feel right at home propounding propaganda for goose-stepping Nazi brownshirts
Yep, you've seen right through me. My real agenda is to bring back them good ol' Nazi brownshirts, and you're NOT AT ALL an idiot for pointing that out. Good for you. I don't know why I thought I could've gotten past that kind of typically keen liberal insight.
Besides, you've shamed me with your classic liberal ability to argue rationally without grandstanding.
Vonnegut's "sweet and noble to die for what you believe in" reference actually paraphrases a poem that was made famous prior to WWI and which was made infamous during (yadda yadda yadda)
OH, so by saying that terrorists were sweet and noble, he wasn't really saying that terrorists were sweet and noble. DOH! If only we stupid conservatives could pick up on those little nuances, but as you know, we're so slow. Just slow, stupid nazis. Gosh, I hope some more liberals stop by to show me the error of my ways so I can learn to share their flawless world view.
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Oh, of course. Bloggers who express opinions you disagree with, or express reluctance to talk about people you support, are Big Brother personified. That makes PERFECT sense, and doesn't in the least indicate that you're a PARANOID NUTJOB.
sanctimonious conservative demagogues who would probably feel right at home propounding propaganda for goose-stepping Nazi brownshirts
Yep, you've seen right through me. My real agenda is to bring back them good ol' Nazi brownshirts, and you're NOT AT ALL an idiot for pointing that out. Good for you. I don't know why I thought I could've gotten past that kind of typically keen liberal insight.
Besides, you've shamed me with your classic liberal ability to argue rationally without grandstanding.
Vonnegut's "sweet and noble to die for what you believe in" reference actually paraphrases a poem that was made famous prior to WWI and which was made infamous during (yadda yadda yadda)
OH, so by saying that terrorists were sweet and noble, he wasn't really saying that terrorists were sweet and noble. DOH! If only we stupid conservatives could pick up on those little nuances, but as you know, we're so slow. Just slow, stupid nazis. Gosh, I hope some more liberals stop by to show me the error of my ways so I can learn to share their flawless world view.
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